http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lowfwLIxagA&NR=1&feature=endscreen (10:58 minutes)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUILWHZ0SWc (5:09 minutes)
Both of these videos are amazing. Obama talks about how 90% of the United States wanted this bill to be passed, but because of the filibuster, it may not even be heard. Obama stands up for the Gun Control bill and wants to get it passed. In both of these videos, Obama rallies the people of Connecticut, telling them it will be accomplished.
I really wanted to watch these videos and found them to be very influential. Obama did a great job with his speeches and I agree with him. Who are the senators representing? Certainly not the American people anymore. The one thing I find funny is how rude/ignorant people are when they comment on the video. It's a shame that there are so many people who bash Obama for trying to tell the Senators they are wrong. What do you guys think?
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Actually Justin, those statistics are correct. 90% of Americans to support stricter back ground checks. As of right now, 40% of the guns sold in this country are done without any background check. You have to understand that your gun rights will not be restricted unless you are a criminal or have a mental illness that makes you not suit to own a gun.
ReplyDeleteCriminals buy guns legally all the time. What you are saying is just not true. Any criminal can go to a gun show and buy a gun. Americans realize that the mental health system is the problem. That is why this bill prevents BOTH criminals and the mentally ill from buying guns.
Also, high capacity magazines and fully automatic weapons only purpose is to kill mass groups of people. For the most part, you cannot use them to hunt or for sport. Other countries mock at us for how relaxed we are about our guns. I know many people from around the world, and they are afraid to come here because they think they are going to get shot. Other countries don’t have these problems. That is because they have extremely strict gun control laws. I really don’t see how this is a debate. Not doing of something about gun control is illogical, immoral, and really just stupid and ignorant.
Thank. You. Seb.
DeleteI am so upset that the Senate did not pass this legislation. When one thinks of just how many Americans were in favor of the legislation, it is hard to understand how senators could deny Americans of protection that they so clearly want.
ReplyDeleteI think Seb deserves a standing ovation for this tirade. I'm in awe. I also agree with everything he says. The rejection of these measures show how well-entrenched the gun lobby is in Congress as well.
ReplyDeleteActually, Seb, that statistic is misleading. Remember our lesson on polling and how it can be misleading? Well that happened right here. That question that was asked about the stricter gun controls was probably something along the lines of "Do you support stricter gun background checks" or something really liberally biased and misleading. Imagine if the people were asked, "Do you think stricter gun control will decrease the gun violence today?" Imagine the response to that, it's definitely NOT 90%. Please tell me the 9/10 people that you know that want stricter gun control. It surely as hell didn't happen around here. In addition, it was more than likely targeted to a liberal population and was projected to generalize the American public. I can GUARANTEE you that most people in the south (who obviously tend to be conservatives/Republicans) did not agree to this poll whatsoever, let alone being ASKED IN THE FIRST PLACE. It's misleading and inaccurate. Your point is invalid.
ReplyDeleteYou've obviously never been to a gun show if you think that criminals are the ones legally buying guns at gun shows. I recently went to a gun show with my dad. He wanted to purchase a Baretta hand gun. Another man sat next to my dad and wanted to buy a Taurus hand gun. Both my dad and the man had background checks completed. My dad was approved, and the man was rejected. Obviously the other guy had some fault in his criminal background so he was NOT allowed to purchase the weapon. The background checks that are not being conducted are ONLY on long rifles from private party to private party, NOT gun dealer to private party. In addition, the long guns that have been found to be used in crimes have been proven to be stolen from someone who legally purchased the weapon. Anyway, ALL DEALERS MUST DO A BACKGROUND CHECK, NO MATTER WHAT THEY ARE SELLING. Your argument is invalid.
What are these "other countries" you speak of? Let's be real here. The "other countries" that you speak of probably have their rights stripped and the crime rate is higher than ours. The people that are "afraid of being shot" are only hearing of crimes in places like Chicago. Oh well my gosh jolly gee, what a coincidence, it has a really high ban on guns in Chicago! And that's what you want YOUR PRESIDENT to design this gun ban on?! Great thinking. Really.
Lastly, when the law abiding citizens are the ones that aren't allowed to have guns in public places without fully equipped security guards, and some lunatic comes in with a gun and starts shooting people, the law abiding citizens are the ones ending up dead because they didn't have anything to protect themselves with in the first place thanks to these stupid gun laws that were enacted.
I don't really see how this is a debate. Good day.
You have no idea how the poll was conducted. You are just speculating it was misleading because you do not agree with the findings. And yes, it has been said countless times by numerous studies that 90% of Americans support at least stricter background checks. I think your assumptions are invalid.
DeleteActually, I have been to several gun shows. Again, assuming is not good. That’s great to hear the the current “system” is working! But it is not working on the level that it needs to be. THAT IS NOT TRUE. STOP BELIEVING WHAT THE NRA AND FOX IS TELLING YOU. IF IT WASN'T TRUE THE PRESIDENT AS WELL AS COUNTLESS POLITICIANS WOULD NOT BE SAYING THAT. This includes Pennsylvania REPUBLICAN Senator Pat Toomey. Again, your counterargument is invalid.
I also thought it is great thinking. These other countries include let’s see, all of Europe. This isn't a problem in other countries and the reason is simple. They have strict gun control laws. The other places where this is a problem, take Mexico, have no gun control laws. Let’s me a little more open-minded.
Instead of saying lets have guns ready so that when the “lunatic comes in with a gun and starts shooting people” we should be saying let’s not let the lunatic get a gun. I really don’t see why that is a problem. And for the last time stricter gun control DOES NOT MEAN TAKING AWAY THE GUNS OF LAW ABIDING CITIZENS. If a person is legally allowed to have a gun they will get their gun. If they should not have a gun, they won’t get it.
Finally something we can agree on. I also don’t really see how this is a debate.
P.S. Use less sarcasm in you argument. It makes you sound irrational. A little is ok, but not too much.
I find it hilarious because you also don't know how the poll was conducted; however, you'd be a fool if you took it literally without any doubts. That's foolish. If you really believe that several polls have shown this, please provide them. I'm particularly interested in seeing them with my own eyes.
ReplyDeleteThat's great that you've been to several gun shows! Especially because you'd know that these background checks are being done and it's legitimately impossible for a criminal to buy a gun. It actually is true. By the way, thanks for attempting to call me out on assuming, considering you just assumed that I actually watch Fox News. Hilarious actually. Yes, my dad belongs to the NRA and I'm about to get a lifetime membership, but do you know what the both of us do when we get mailings from them with right wing propaganda? We throw them out. Why? Because we don't believe everything that is said verbatim. Furthermore, it's hilarious that you think I believe what the NRA and Fox News say considering the last time we got into a debate over gun control (after Sandy Hook) you continuously tried using "sources of information and facts" from Mother Jones. Hilarious and hypocritical of you.
Countries in Europe have stricter gun control laws? Here's England and Wales, for example. The homicide rate in England and Wales has averaged 52% higher since the outset of the 1968 gun control law and 15% higher since the outset of the 1997 handgun ban. Mexico is also a wreck of a country in all sorts of areas. Let's stick to a more civil country that's been established and is well-to-do.
You're correct in saying the loophole is in the mental health system, but you're incorrect in saying that banning them from getting guns is going to be 100% preventative of any crimes happening. They are criminals no matter what. If they can't get their guns legally, they'll get them illegally. Where will they target? Places that have "Gun-Free Zone" signs posted/policies. Why? Because they know that there won't be any guns around so they can successfully accomplish their "mission."
PS, I'll talk/type/whatever how I want. Funny you, again, call me out for using too much sarcasm yet you use sarcasm yourself.
I will respond once the ap test is over and I have more time.
ReplyDeleteObama talks about needing to respond to the tragedy and pass stricter gun control laws, but why didn't he bring this much attention to or act after the Benghazi incident?
ReplyDelete1) holy controversy. Everyone be friends and respect the other's opinion.
ReplyDelete2) I agree with Lauren. He is only emphasizing what he thinks the country wants to hear. Gun Control is a popular part of his presidency whereas the Benghazi incident was overlooked.
To Sam:
ReplyDeleteActually, I do know how the poll that I referred to was conducted. There were several polls done that found similar things. This study was done by Quinnipiac University. The question this study asked the 1,772 registered voters was: “Do you support or oppose requiring background checks for all gun buyers?” It found that 89% of Republicans, 96% of Democrats, 92% of Independents, 9 % of men, 94% of women, 92% white voters, 95% black voters, and 9% Hispanic voters supported background checks for all gun buyers. The opposition did not get above 10% for any of the categories.
On the topic of gun shows, it is up to the seller to decide to do a background check. And people usually do not want to wait for them to be done, so they are not done in many cases. Others do not want them to be done. (for obvious reasons) I didn’t assume that you watched Fox news, those are really only organizations that are spreading those types of lies. I am glad that you don’t believe everything they tell you. Sadly, many people do. Mother Jones is a left leaning publication, but it is quality journalism. Just because it has liberal tendencies does not mean they give false information. I read many conservative leaning publications because I am curious about the opposition view and it is still great journalism. Facts are facts, it does not matter which side of the aisle you are on.
I find it interesting that you pick a country that supports your view, and dismiss another because it is not “civil”. Most of Mexico’s problems are derived from gun violence. And there are many ways to commit suicide without a fire arm.
I actually did not say it is going to be 100% preventative of any crimes. They never happen, that’s not stretching the truth. That is lying. If is can save any number of people from being killed, I think it is worth doing. If they get them illegally, that’s just another thing we can charge them on. And we can have very severe punishments for those who obtain guns illegally.
P.S. I said a little sarcasm is ok. I was simply making and observation. That is what we are taught when learning how to craft an argument. It wasn’t personal.
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ReplyDeleteOk, fair enough. But let's see when that poll is asked somewhere down south, or to the rest of the country. Not a study by a college. Not to 1,772 people. The results show that 90% of that sample of people, not the entire nation, support stricter background checks.
ReplyDeleteI'm sure you know that it's the law for firearm sellers to do background checks before selling a gun. While your point is very plausible, it's not the majority case. Why? Because the seller would face a SEVERELY LARGE FINE AND/OR JAIL TIME. In addition, every single show I've been to, fire arms store, you name it, have done all of the background checks required. The reason why some mentally unstable people are getting firearms is because the check doesn't extend to checking mental health- only criminal history. People who have had mental defeats in their life can simply check off "no, I haven't been treated for medical illnesses" (or whatever it is on the application) and get away with purchasing a firearm. If you wanna call that a stricter background check, then be my guess. I call it fixing the loophole.
You did assume that I listen to what the NRA and FOX news have to say. I mean you said so yourself, "STOP BELIEVING WHAT THE NRA AND FOX IS TELLING YOU." If there's bias, it's biased and is less/not really credible, no matter the side. Let's leave it at that.
"Most of Mexico's problems are derived from gun violence." Oh, like those guns that were given to the Mexican drug cartels by the Obama administration? Ever heard of Fast and Furious? Brian Terry?
"There are many ways to commit suicide without a fire arm." Agreed. Remember Sandy Hook? Well that same day in China, a man went to an elementary school with a knife and stabbed several children. Obviously, China has a very dictator-like government and citizens aren't allowed to get fire arms. So this guy resorted to a knife. If that were to happen here, and some crazy guy gets his hands on a knife, are we gonna ban those too?
I'll agree with your statement on saving at least one life is worth it (which is why I'm pro-life, but that's a different argument that I'm not getting into.) However, these background checks aren't gonna do anything. Like I said, it'll only make it harder for the people who will actually use the firearms in good nature to get them. I honestly do not mind going through a background check because I personally have nothing to fear. If these background checks are going to be increased, then why would a criminal just sit around and get one done? S/He would obviously get the gun illegally and not bother with the check.
This is the last comment I'll make on this thing. I'm graduating in a week and two days, so yeah. Good debating with you.